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 +Homosexuality is "having sexual and romantic attraction primarily or exclusively to members of one’s own sex" and is the opposite of heterosexuality. It is estimated that 2-13% of the population is homosexual. There has been much debate and controversy over homosexuality especially legally and morally. However, since the 1960s, the LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexexual) have gained more recognition and rights with movements and many gay people have become celebrities and political leaders.
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-===Nature vs. nurture? Is homosexuality natural or a social phenomena?===+
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 +*'''Homosexuality is business of individual, should not be judged.''' Homosexuality may in fact be wrong in the eyes of a particular dogmatic sect, but this in no way implies that the act is necessarily wrong and should not be judged by man. Whether or not homosexuality is wrong in other areas such as in the context of religious beliefs is completely another debate and should not be considered in this context.
-*[[Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon that can also be found in the animal kingdom]] '''[http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup "Gay Marriage: the Arguments and the Motives" 2004]''' - "Among the approximately 1500 animal species whose behavior has been extensively studied, homosexual behavior in animals has been described in at least 450 of those species. It runs the gamut, too, ranging from occasional displays of affection to life-long pair bonding including sex and even adopting and raising orphans, going so far as the rejection by force of potential heterosexual partners, even when in heat. The reality is that it is so common that it begs an explanation, and sociobiologists have proposed a wide variety of explanations to account for it. The fact that it is so common also means that it clearly has evolutionary significance, which applies as much to humans as it does to other animal species."+*'''Sexual Orientation does not affect the rights of others''' Sexual orientation does not harm anybody else. As a result, it should not be judged by others nor considered for regulation by the government. Only actions that violate the civil liberties of other citizens should be considered for regulation.
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====No==== ====No====
-*[[Psychiatric and medical illnesses accompany homosexuality]] [http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05] - "The [American Psychiatric Association] has chosen to ignore the significant medical research which has documented serious psychiatric and medical illnesses associated with those same-sex attractions and behaviors. This research and that on the needs of children for a father and a mother have been reviewed in several important recent papers from the University of South Carolina School of Medicine and the University of Utah School of Medicine...Well-designed research studies have shown that many psychiatric disorders are far more prevalent, three to five times, in teen-agers and adults with same-sex attraction [SSA]. These include major depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, conduct disorder, low self-esteem in males and sexual promiscuity with an inability to maintain committed relationships. It is important to note that 'homophobia' is not the cause of these disorders, as many of these studies were done in cultures in which homosexuality is widely accepted. Another recent study has shown that a high percentage, 32%, of males with SSA have been abused by other males with SSA." [find studies]+*'''Society has a right to judge that homosexuality is socially damaging.''' Homosexuality has been linked to various adverse conditions. While any society should protect the personal freedoms of its citizens, there is always a point at which liberty must be curtailed to protect the society as a whole.
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-===Religion: Does homosexuality check out on religious grounds?===+===Nature vs. nurture? Is homosexuality natural or a social phenomena?===
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-*Contention that American Constitutional principles of the Separation of Church and State and the First Amendment would disallow any projection of religious moral belief onto constitutional law through a ban on gay-marriage: +*'''[[Argument: Homosexuals are born gay, have no choice| Homosexuals are born gay, have no choice]]''' [http://www.newsweek.com/id/229957 Ted Olson. "The conservative case for gay marriage." Newsweek. January 12, 2010]: "Science has taught us, even if history has not, that gays and lesbians do not choose to be homosexual any more than the rest of us choose to be heterosexual. To a very large extent, these characteristics are immutable, like being left-handed."
-**[http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2459758 The Economist "The case for gay marriage" 2/26/04]''' - "It is no business of the state to impose a religious choice. Indeed, in America the constitution expressly bans the involvement of the state in religious matters, so it would be especially outrageous if the constitution were now to be used for religious ends [that aim to ban gay marriage]."+
-*Civil marriages don't interfere with religious doctrine and a Church's freedom to deny its own marriage services to gays:+*'''[[Argument: Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon also found in the animal kingdom| Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon also found in the animal kingdom]]''' [http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup "Gay Marriage: the Arguments and the Motives" 2004] - "Among the approximately 1500 animal species whose behavior has been extensively studied, homosexual behavior in animals has been described in at least 450 of those species. It runs the gamut, too, ranging from occasional displays of affection to life-long pair bonding including sex and even adopting and raising orphans, going so far as the rejection by force of potential heterosexual partners, even when in heat. The reality is that it is so common that it begs an explanation, and sociobiologists have proposed a wide variety of explanations to account for it. The fact that it is so common also means that it clearly has evolutionary significance, which applies as much to humans as it does to other animal species."
-**[http://www.idebate.org/debatabase/topic_details.php?topicID=63 Debatabase] - "Gay couples should be allowed the option to undergo civil marriages; this does not entail any religious ceremonies and ought to be acceptable to those who object to gay marriages on the grounds of their religious beliefs."+
-*Biblical passages that are claimed by anti-gay believers to condemn homosexuality are being misinterpreted by these groups. **[http://members.cox.net/paulmcc/mcc/samegen.html Rev. Jonathan Loppnow and Rev. Paul C. Evans "Same Gender Sexual Behavior and the Scriptures" 1/7/98] - "Contrary to what many people have been taught, there is nothing in the Bible which condemns people with a homosexual orientation having same gender relationships. In fact, did you know the word 'homosexual' does not occur in the Bible at all in the original languages it was written in? This publication is called 'Same Gender Sexual Behavior and the Scriptures' because the scriptural texts considered only deal with sexual behavior not with homosexual sexuality as a whole or homosexual orientation."+*'''Homosexuality is as old as civilization itself.''' [http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives"]: "Homosexuality is as old as civilization itself, and has always been a part of civilization, including this one - indeed, cross-cultural studies indicate that the percentage of homosexuals in a population is independent of culture. So even if promotion were to occur, it wouldn't change anything - people aren't gay because they were "recruited," they're gay because they were born that way, as the population statistics across cultures makes clear. As for gay marriage itself undermining western civilization, it is hard to see how the promotion of love, commitment, sharing and commonality of values and goals isn't going to strengthen civilization a lot sooner than it is going to undermine it."
-*Legalized gay marriage will not impede on churches' independent ability to not marry gays. **[http://www.yffn.org/admin/spi/marriagevsunion.html Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders] - "A major myth about ending discrimination in civil marriage is that it will somehow compel religious faiths to change their doctrine or practices about who they marry. This is flatly incorrect. We have freedom of religion in this country. When a court or legislature ends discrimination in civil (governmental) marriage, there is no compulsory impact on any faith. Each faith is-and will remain-free to define its own requirements for its marriage rite: who, what, when, where and why. Some people say marriage is a sacrament. And it is for some religious faiths. But the government is not in the sacrament business. The only 'marriage' to which the couples in the Massachusetts case are seeking access is civil/governmental marriage. Governmental marriage already exists side by side with each faith's different rules for their religious rite of marriage. Nothing can change that."+*'''Gay sex does not "betray" male, female traits.''' [http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives"]: "5. Making love to another man betrays everything that is masculine. Well, I've known (and dated) plenty of very masculine gay men in my day, including bull-riding rodeo cowboys and a Hell's Angel biker type, who, if you suggested he is a limp-wristed fairy, would likely rip your head off and hand it to you. There was a long-honored tradition of gay relationships among the tough and macho cowboys of the Old West, and many diaries exist detailing their relationships. Plenty of masculine, respected movies stars are gay. Indeed, Rock Hudson was considered the very archtype of a masculine man. Came as quite a shock to a lot of macho-men to find out he was gay! So what's wrong with all these kinds of men expressing love for each other? Why is that so wrong? A society that devalues love devalues that upon which civilized society itself is based. Should any form of that love for one another be discouraged?"
-*Many faiths and branches of faiths welcome homosexuality.  
-**Buddhism has many sects that celebrate gay relationships freely and encourage legal marriages.[http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm] 
-**At the 1996 Unitarian Universalist General Assembly, delegates voted overwhelmingly that because of "the inherent worth and dignity of every person", same-sex couples should have the same freedom to marry as other couples.[http://www.uua.org/news/freedomtomarry/index.html] 
-**America's Reform Jewish rabbis gave their formal, theological blessing on same-sex marriage in 2000.[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/16/story_1683_1.html]  
-**Jews in general [http://www.beliefnet.com/story/16/story_1683_1.html Beliefnet.com] - "As the most liberal group of whites in America, Jews already support laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination in housing, employment, and other aspects of public life."  
-*Dutch clergy made a massive shift toward overwhelmingly favoring its national gay marriage laws: A survey conducted in 1989 when the Danish government legalized gay marriage revealed that 72% of Danish clergy were opposed to the law. A survey conducted in 1995 indicated that 89 percent of the Danish clergy now admit that the law is a good one and has had many beneficial effects.[http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/10/27/winning_on_gay_marriage.php] 
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====No==== ====No====
 +*'''[[Argument: Homosexuality contradicts natural aim of sexuality| Homosexuality contradicts natural aim of sexuality]]''' [http://www.opposingviews.com/questions/should-marriage-for-same-sex-couples-be-legal Family Research Council on Opposing Views.com. Retrieved 3.1.2010]: "In his epistle to Christians living in Rome, the Apostle Paul speaks of an undeniable “law” regarding normative human behavior that is written on the hearts of mankind “to which their own conscience also bears witness” Those who would reject this law find themselves in opposition to the Divine intent for mankind, a reality that every culture from the dawn of civilization has either recognized – or failed to acknowledge at its peril. The power of the innate realization that there is something fundamentally “unnatural” about homosexuality – even among those who consider themselves non-religious – should not be underestimated, and may well provide the vital motivation that will turn back the seemingly invincible juggernaut of the gay agenda."
-'''Biblical passages advanced as condemning homosexuality:''' +*'''[[Argument: Studies citing a homosexual "gene" have been biased and flawed|Studies citing a homosexual "gene" have been biased and flawed]].''' *[http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c040.html "What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net] - "homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality. Three main studies are cited by “gay rights” activists in support of their argument2Hamer's X-chromosome research,3 LeVay's study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard's study of identical twins who were homosexuals. In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, “the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results”.6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person's genes."
-*'''Genesis 19:5'''[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019%20;&version=31] Many interpret this passage as citing homosexual behavior which allegedly contributed to the destruction of ancient cities Sodom and Gomorrah. This story became the source of the word sodomy. '''[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12885_2.html Ben Witherington III "Was Sodom into Sodomy?"]''' - "The verb yada 'to know' is used to mean sexual sharing in the Sodom story [opposed to meaning 'to know' in a social sense], when Lot offers his daughters for them 'to know' (i.e. have sexual intercourse with). It's probable that it means the same thing earlier, when the citizens of Sodom ask Lot to bring out his guests so they may 'know' them. Lot accuses them of acting wickedly--an odd charge if all they meant is that they wanted to interrogate them to discover if they were spies. The biblical echoes of the Sodom story, furthermore, all clearly refer to sexual sin. Jeremiah 49:18 criticizes Jerusalem for its sexual sin, and says it is like Sodom. Ezekiel 16:49 is sometimes cited to prove that the sin of Sodom was only inhospitality. But the next verse says the residents of Sodom were destroyed because they did 'abominable things before me.' Abominable, is the very term Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 uses to criticize homosexual intercourse."+
-*'''Leviticus 18:22 - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; this is an abomination".[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/140/story_14050_2.html].+
-*'''First Corinthians 6:8-10.'''[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/140/story_14050_2.html] +
-*'''Romans 1 Verse 27b''' - "Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their sin."[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12885_2.html]+
-*'''Paul - verses and interpretations that sodomy is wrong''' - verse 26 - "they have exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature." - [http://www.beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12885_2.html Ben Witherington III] cites this as an illustration of a biblical rebuke of sodomy.+
-[[Image:Jesus Christ.jpg|right]]+*'''A homosexual gene would not make homosexuality moral.''' [http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c040.html "What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net] - "To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person's bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior the law rightly holds them accountable."
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 +=== Gay sex: Is gay sex a tolerable phenomena? ===
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 +====Pro====
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 +*'''The thought of heterosexual sex is repulsive to gays.''' [http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives"]: "Well, it will come as some surprise to a lot of heterosexuals to find out that, to a lot of gays, the thought of heterosexual sex is repulsive! But does that mean the discomfort of some gays to heterosexual couples should be a reason to deny heterosexuals the right to marry? I don't think so, even though the thought of a man kissing a woman is rather repulsive to many homosexuals! Well then, why should it work the other way? Besides, the same sexual practices that gays engage in are often engaged in by heterosexual couples anyway. Prompting the ever-popular gay T-shirt: "SO-DO-MY -- SO DO MY neighbors, SO DO MY friends."
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 +*'''Homosexuality is a way to express love.''' Having sex is just a way to express a deep, passionate love for someone. Homosexual or not, it should be , not just "tolerated", like it is an irreversible flaw in one's character, but wholly accepted. Take in mind that homosexuals are being rejected simply for falling in love or being attracted to other members of the same sex.
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-'Butt Fucking is totally Cool. NOT.' 
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 +*'''[[Argument: Gay sodomy is unhealthy and lowers life-expectancy| Gay sodomy is unhealthy and lowers life-expectancy]]''' [http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05] - "Those with SSA have a shortened life expectancy. The sexual practices in the lifestyle, particularly sodomy, are associated with numerous serious medical illnesses."
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 +===Health: Is homosexuality more generally healthy and safe? ===
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 +====Yes====
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 +====No====
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 +*'''Psychiatric and medical illnesses accompany homosexuality.''' [http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05] - "The [American Psychiatric Association] has chosen to ignore the significant medical research which has documented serious psychiatric and medical illnesses associated with those same-sex attractions and behaviors. This research and that on the needs of children for a father and a mother have been reviewed in several important recent papers from the University of South Carolina School of Medicine and the University of Utah School of Medicine...Well-designed research studies have shown that many psychiatric disorders are far more prevalent, three to five times, in teen-agers and adults with same-sex attraction [SSA]. These include major depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, conduct disorder, low self-esteem in males and sexual promiscuity with an inability to maintain committed relationships. It is important to note that 'homophobia' is not the cause of these disorders, as many of these studies were done in cultures in which homosexuality is widely accepted. Another recent study has shown that a high percentage, 32%, of males with SSA have been abused by other males with SSA." [find studies]
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 +===Discrimination: Is condemning homosexuality discrimination? ===
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 +====Yes====
 +*'''Condemning gays is discrimination.''' Homosexuals have the equal rights as heterosexuals. This is demonstrated in the fact that seventeen states, including Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia already have laws that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, and seven, plus the district, ban discrimination based on gender identity.[http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=596060]
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 +*'''[[Argument: Homophobia stems from irrational fear of rape, subordination| Homophobia stems from irrational fear of rape, subordination]]''' [http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives"]: "The base fear here is that of rape and a loss of control or masculine status. This is instinctual and goes right to the core of our being as primates. If you examine what happens in many animal species, especially displays of dominance in other primate species, dominance displays often have sexual overtones. When, for example, in many species of primates, a subordinate male is faced with aggression by a dominant male, the dominant male will bite the subordinate, causing him to squeal in pain, drop the food (or the female) and present his rump. This is an act of submission, and it is saying to the whole troupe that the subordinate is just that - subordinate. [...] It has been suggested that homophobia is an instinctual fear of being raped by someone that the homophobe regards as lower than him in status. And the notion that a gay man might rape him is an instinctual fear."
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 +*'''[[Argument: Condemning gays is not discrimination; people choose to act gay| Condemning gays is not discrimination; people choose to act gay]]''' ''Lansdown, A., The 'Rights' of Homosexuals, Life News, p. 1, February, 1995.'' - "Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does."[http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php?title=Debate:Homosexuality&action=edit&section=11]
-*Sodomy is unhealthy and lowers life-expectancy 
-**[http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05] - "Those with SSA have a shortened life expectancy. The sexual practices in the lifestyle, particularly sodomy, are associated with numerous serious medical illnesses." 
-**[http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html "The Health Risks of Gay Sex," Dr. John R. Diggs Jr. (2002)] 
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-'ButtFucking=Totally Awesome. NOT.'+ 
 +*'''There is no evidence that the LGBT community is more promiscuous.''' There is no evidence that those in the LGBT community are more promiscuous. This is particularly true when one considers the wider community at issue here. We are not simply considering the Gay community, which may be more promiscuous because they have more testosterone. We are also consider lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, and others within this community. There is no evidence that this community, collectively, is more promiscuous.
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 +*'''Gays are equally interested in committed relationships.''' [http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives"]: "lets discuss what gay relationships are really all about. The stereotype has it that gays are promiscuous, unable to form lasting relationships, and the relationships that do form are shallow and uncommitted. And gays do have such relationships! [...] But the important fact to note is that just like in straight society, where such relationships also exist, they are a small minority, and exist primarily among the very young. Indeed, one of the most frequent complaints of older gay men is that it is almost impossible to find quality single men to get into a relationship with, because they're already all 'taken!' [...] If you attend any gay event, such as a Pride festival or a PFLAG convention, you'll find this to be true. As gays age and mature, just like their straight cohorts, they begin to appreciate and find their way into long-term committed relationships."
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-'''Argument that homosexuals exibit "rampant promiscuity" and an "inability to maintain committed relationships:''' '''[http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05]''' - "The peer-reviewed literature demonstrates that an inability to maintain committed relationships and rampant promiscuity are the norm in the homosexual lifestyle. To illustrate this, one recent study in Amsterdam, by Xiridou, demonstrated that 86% of the new cases of AIDS came from those in committed relationships, and that those in casual relationships averaged between 16-28 sexual partners per year."+ 
 +*'''The homosexual culture displays "rampant promiscuity" and immorality.''' [http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05] - "The peer-reviewed literature demonstrates that an inability to maintain committed relationships and rampant promiscuity are the norm in the homosexual lifestyle. To illustrate this, one recent study in Amsterdam, by Xiridou, demonstrated that 86% of the new cases of AIDS came from those in committed relationships, and that those in casual relationships averaged between 16-28 sexual partners per year."
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 +===Religion: Does homosexuality check out on religious grounds?===
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 +====Yes====
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 +*'''Separation of Church and State forbids basing state law on religious considerations.''' American Constitutional principles of the Separation of Church and State and the First Amendment would disallow any projection of religious moral belief onto constitutional law through a ban on gay-marriage.
 +**[http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2459758 The Economist "The case for gay marriage" 2/26/04] - "It is no business of the state to impose a religious choice. Indeed, in America the constitution expressly bans the involvement of the state in religious matters, so it would be especially outrageous if the constitution were now to be used for religious ends [that aim to ban gay marriage]."
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 +*Civil marriages don't interfere with religious doctrine and a Church's freedom to deny its own marriage services to gays:
 +**[http://www.idebate.org/debatabase/topic_details.php?topicID=63 Debatabase] - "Gay couples should be allowed the option to undergo civil marriages; this does not entail any religious ceremonies and ought to be acceptable to those who object to gay marriages on the grounds of their religious beliefs."
 + 
 +*'''[[Argument: Biblical passages that are claimed to condemn homosexuality are being misinterpreted|Biblical passages that are claimed to condemn homosexuality are being misinterpreted]].''' The Bible does not actually give any mention to homosexuality as a whole, but only homosexual acts. It does condemn certain specific homosexual acts, but in a context that does not clearly indicate a condemnation of homosexuality. For example, the Sodomites were condemned to death by God before sodomy was performed. The act of sodomy in that specific, inappropriate context was condemned, but should not be misinterpreted as the cause of the ultimate condemnation of the Sodomites.
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 +*'''Many faiths welcome homosexuality.'''
 +**Buddhism has many sects that celebrate gay relationships freely and encourage legal marriages.[http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm]
 +**At the 1996 Unitarian Universalist General Assembly, delegates voted overwhelmingly that because of "the inherent worth and dignity of every person", same-sex couples should have the same freedom to marry as other couples.[http://www.uua.org/news/freedomtomarry/index.html]
 +**America's Reform Jewish rabbis gave their formal, theological blessing on same-sex marriage in 2000.[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/16/story_1683_1.html]
 +**Jews in general [http://www.beliefnet.com/story/16/story_1683_1.html Beliefnet.com] - "As the most liberal group of whites in America, Jews already support laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination in housing, employment, and other aspects of public life."
 +*Dutch clergy made a massive shift toward overwhelmingly favoring its national gay marriage laws: A survey conducted in 1989 when the Danish government legalized gay marriage revealed that 72% of Danish clergy were opposed to the law. A survey conducted in 1995 indicated that 89 percent of the Danish clergy now admit that the law is a good one and has had many beneficial effects.[http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/10/27/winning_on_gay_marriage.php]
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 +*'''[[Argument: Many biblical passages condemn homosexuality| Many biblical passages condemn homosexuality]]''' ''Genesis 19:5''[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019%20;&version=31] Many interpret this passage as citing homosexual behavior which allegedly contributed to the destruction of ancient cities Sodom and Gomorrah. This story became the source of the word sodomy. '''[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12885_2.html Ben Witherington III "Was Sodom into Sodomy?"]''' - "The verb yada 'to know' is used to mean sexual sharing in the Sodom story [opposed to meaning 'to know' in a social sense], when Lot offers his daughters for them 'to know' (i.e. have sexual intercourse with). It's probable that it means the same thing earlier, when the citizens of Sodom ask Lot to bring out his guests so they may 'know' them. Lot accuses them of acting wickedly--an odd charge if all they meant is that they wanted to interrogate them to discover if they were spies. The biblical echoes of the Sodom story, furthermore, all clearly refer to sexual sin. Jeremiah 49:18 criticizes Jerusalem for its sexual sin, and says it is like Sodom. Ezekiel 16:49 is sometimes cited to prove that the sin of Sodom was only inhospitality. But the next verse says the residents of Sodom were destroyed because they did 'abominable things before me.' Abominable, is the very term Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 uses to criticize homosexual intercourse."
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 +*'''[[Argument: God commanded humans to "multiply"; homosexuality contradicts this| God commanded humans to "multiply"; homosexuality contradicts this]]''' leviticus 18 :22 says 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.God does not like it he made a man to marry a woman not a man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman.In genesis god did not made a man for adam hemade a woman.The bible says If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.It is a major sin and people who does that shall be put to death.the bible says Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. God's word is true. It will always stand no matter what. God is going to bring judgement unto this world very soon and those you said that it is not wrong you will have to give an account for them. If you want to be forgiven of what you said God can for give you and plus he save you from hell. in romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ==]]
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 +*[http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/natural.html "The Naturalness of Homosexuality" Liberated Christians]
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 +*[http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/homosexuality/a0000058.cfm Alan P. Medinger. "Homosexuality and the Truth Is It Natural and Normal?"]
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 +*[http://members.cox.net/paulmcc/mcc/samegen.html Rev. Jonathan Loppnow and Rev. Paul C. Evans. "Same Gender Sexual Behavior and the Scriptures"]
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 +*[http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c040.html "What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net]
 +*[http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm Jason Dulle. "Arguing Against Homosexuality"]
 +*[http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexualuc.htm Jason Dulle. "Arguing Against Homosexuality: A Response to Challenges"]
 +*[http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?RecNum=3336 "Homosexuality and Hope". Catholic Medical Association]
 +*[http://media.www.thejohnsonian.com/media/storage/paper988/news/2004/01/30/Opinion/The-Case.Against.Homosexuality-2056650.shtml Gregory Jones. "The case against homosexuality". The Johnsonian. January 30th, 2004]
 +*[http://www.robgagnon.net/SecularCase.htm "How to make a valid secular case against cultural endorsement of homosexual behavior."]
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 +*[[Debate: Gay marriage]]
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Is homosexuality right or wrong?

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Homosexuality is "having sexual and romantic attraction primarily or exclusively to members of one’s own sex" and is the opposite of heterosexuality. It is estimated that 2-13% of the population is homosexual. There has been much debate and controversy over homosexuality especially legally and morally. However, since the 1960s, the LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexexual) have gained more recognition and rights with movements and many gay people have become celebrities and political leaders.

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Judgement: Should other individuals be able to judge?

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  • Homosexuality is business of individual, should not be judged. Homosexuality may in fact be wrong in the eyes of a particular dogmatic sect, but this in no way implies that the act is necessarily wrong and should not be judged by man. Whether or not homosexuality is wrong in other areas such as in the context of religious beliefs is completely another debate and should not be considered in this context.
  • Sexual Orientation does not affect the rights of others Sexual orientation does not harm anybody else. As a result, it should not be judged by others nor considered for regulation by the government. Only actions that violate the civil liberties of other citizens should be considered for regulation.


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  • Society has a right to judge that homosexuality is socially damaging. Homosexuality has been linked to various adverse conditions. While any society should protect the personal freedoms of its citizens, there is always a point at which liberty must be curtailed to protect the society as a whole.


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Nature vs. nurture? Is homosexuality natural or a social phenomena?

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  • Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon also found in the animal kingdom Scott Bidstrup "Gay Marriage: the Arguments and the Motives" 2004 - "Among the approximately 1500 animal species whose behavior has been extensively studied, homosexual behavior in animals has been described in at least 450 of those species. It runs the gamut, too, ranging from occasional displays of affection to life-long pair bonding including sex and even adopting and raising orphans, going so far as the rejection by force of potential heterosexual partners, even when in heat. The reality is that it is so common that it begs an explanation, and sociobiologists have proposed a wide variety of explanations to account for it. The fact that it is so common also means that it clearly has evolutionary significance, which applies as much to humans as it does to other animal species."
  • Homosexuality is as old as civilization itself. Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives": "Homosexuality is as old as civilization itself, and has always been a part of civilization, including this one - indeed, cross-cultural studies indicate that the percentage of homosexuals in a population is independent of culture. So even if promotion were to occur, it wouldn't change anything - people aren't gay because they were "recruited," they're gay because they were born that way, as the population statistics across cultures makes clear. As for gay marriage itself undermining western civilization, it is hard to see how the promotion of love, commitment, sharing and commonality of values and goals isn't going to strengthen civilization a lot sooner than it is going to undermine it."
  • Gay sex does not "betray" male, female traits. Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives": "5. Making love to another man betrays everything that is masculine. Well, I've known (and dated) plenty of very masculine gay men in my day, including bull-riding rodeo cowboys and a Hell's Angel biker type, who, if you suggested he is a limp-wristed fairy, would likely rip your head off and hand it to you. There was a long-honored tradition of gay relationships among the tough and macho cowboys of the Old West, and many diaries exist detailing their relationships. Plenty of masculine, respected movies stars are gay. Indeed, Rock Hudson was considered the very archtype of a masculine man. Came as quite a shock to a lot of macho-men to find out he was gay! So what's wrong with all these kinds of men expressing love for each other? Why is that so wrong? A society that devalues love devalues that upon which civilized society itself is based. Should any form of that love for one another be discouraged?"


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  • Homosexuality contradicts natural aim of sexuality Family Research Council on Opposing Views.com. Retrieved 3.1.2010: "In his epistle to Christians living in Rome, the Apostle Paul speaks of an undeniable “law” regarding normative human behavior that is written on the hearts of mankind “to which their own conscience also bears witness” Those who would reject this law find themselves in opposition to the Divine intent for mankind, a reality that every culture from the dawn of civilization has either recognized – or failed to acknowledge at its peril. The power of the innate realization that there is something fundamentally “unnatural” about homosexuality – even among those who consider themselves non-religious – should not be underestimated, and may well provide the vital motivation that will turn back the seemingly invincible juggernaut of the gay agenda."
  • Studies citing a homosexual "gene" have been biased and flawed. *"What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net - "homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality. Three main studies are cited by “gay rights” activists in support of their argument2Hamer's X-chromosome research,3 LeVay's study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard's study of identical twins who were homosexuals. In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, “the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results”.6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person's genes."
  • A homosexual gene would not make homosexuality moral. "What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net - "To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person's bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior the law rightly holds them accountable."


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Gay sex: Is gay sex a tolerable phenomena?

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  • The thought of heterosexual sex is repulsive to gays. Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives": "Well, it will come as some surprise to a lot of heterosexuals to find out that, to a lot of gays, the thought of heterosexual sex is repulsive! But does that mean the discomfort of some gays to heterosexual couples should be a reason to deny heterosexuals the right to marry? I don't think so, even though the thought of a man kissing a woman is rather repulsive to many homosexuals! Well then, why should it work the other way? Besides, the same sexual practices that gays engage in are often engaged in by heterosexual couples anyway. Prompting the ever-popular gay T-shirt: "SO-DO-MY -- SO DO MY neighbors, SO DO MY friends."
  • Homosexuality is a way to express love. Having sex is just a way to express a deep, passionate love for someone. Homosexual or not, it should be , not just "tolerated", like it is an irreversible flaw in one's character, but wholly accepted. Take in mind that homosexuals are being rejected simply for falling in love or being attracted to other members of the same sex.
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Sodomy and health: Is homosexual sodomy OK health-wise?

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Health: Is homosexuality more generally healthy and safe?

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  • Psychiatric and medical illnesses accompany homosexuality. Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05 - "The [American Psychiatric Association] has chosen to ignore the significant medical research which has documented serious psychiatric and medical illnesses associated with those same-sex attractions and behaviors. This research and that on the needs of children for a father and a mother have been reviewed in several important recent papers from the University of South Carolina School of Medicine and the University of Utah School of Medicine...Well-designed research studies have shown that many psychiatric disorders are far more prevalent, three to five times, in teen-agers and adults with same-sex attraction [SSA]. These include major depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, conduct disorder, low self-esteem in males and sexual promiscuity with an inability to maintain committed relationships. It is important to note that 'homophobia' is not the cause of these disorders, as many of these studies were done in cultures in which homosexuality is widely accepted. Another recent study has shown that a high percentage, 32%, of males with SSA have been abused by other males with SSA." [find studies]
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Discrimination: Is condemning homosexuality discrimination?

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  • Condemning gays is discrimination. Homosexuals have the equal rights as heterosexuals. This is demonstrated in the fact that seventeen states, including Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia already have laws that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, and seven, plus the district, ban discrimination based on gender identity.[1]
  • Homophobia stems from irrational fear of rape, subordination Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives": "The base fear here is that of rape and a loss of control or masculine status. This is instinctual and goes right to the core of our being as primates. If you examine what happens in many animal species, especially displays of dominance in other primate species, dominance displays often have sexual overtones. When, for example, in many species of primates, a subordinate male is faced with aggression by a dominant male, the dominant male will bite the subordinate, causing him to squeal in pain, drop the food (or the female) and present his rump. This is an act of submission, and it is saying to the whole troupe that the subordinate is just that - subordinate. [...] It has been suggested that homophobia is an instinctual fear of being raped by someone that the homophobe regards as lower than him in status. And the notion that a gay man might rape him is an instinctual fear."


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Sexual culture: Is the sexual culture surrounding homosexuality OK?

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  • There is no evidence that the LGBT community is more promiscuous. There is no evidence that those in the LGBT community are more promiscuous. This is particularly true when one considers the wider community at issue here. We are not simply considering the Gay community, which may be more promiscuous because they have more testosterone. We are also consider lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, and others within this community. There is no evidence that this community, collectively, is more promiscuous.
  • Gays are equally interested in committed relationships. Scott Bidstrup. "Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives": "lets discuss what gay relationships are really all about. The stereotype has it that gays are promiscuous, unable to form lasting relationships, and the relationships that do form are shallow and uncommitted. And gays do have such relationships! [...] But the important fact to note is that just like in straight society, where such relationships also exist, they are a small minority, and exist primarily among the very young. Indeed, one of the most frequent complaints of older gay men is that it is almost impossible to find quality single men to get into a relationship with, because they're already all 'taken!' [...] If you attend any gay event, such as a Pride festival or a PFLAG convention, you'll find this to be true. As gays age and mature, just like their straight cohorts, they begin to appreciate and find their way into long-term committed relationships."


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  • The homosexual culture displays "rampant promiscuity" and immorality. Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05 - "The peer-reviewed literature demonstrates that an inability to maintain committed relationships and rampant promiscuity are the norm in the homosexual lifestyle. To illustrate this, one recent study in Amsterdam, by Xiridou, demonstrated that 86% of the new cases of AIDS came from those in committed relationships, and that those in casual relationships averaged between 16-28 sexual partners per year."




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Religion: Does homosexuality check out on religious grounds?

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  • Separation of Church and State forbids basing state law on religious considerations. American Constitutional principles of the Separation of Church and State and the First Amendment would disallow any projection of religious moral belief onto constitutional law through a ban on gay-marriage.
    • The Economist "The case for gay marriage" 2/26/04 - "It is no business of the state to impose a religious choice. Indeed, in America the constitution expressly bans the involvement of the state in religious matters, so it would be especially outrageous if the constitution were now to be used for religious ends [that aim to ban gay marriage]."
  • Civil marriages don't interfere with religious doctrine and a Church's freedom to deny its own marriage services to gays:
    • Debatabase - "Gay couples should be allowed the option to undergo civil marriages; this does not entail any religious ceremonies and ought to be acceptable to those who object to gay marriages on the grounds of their religious beliefs."
  • Biblical passages that are claimed to condemn homosexuality are being misinterpreted. The Bible does not actually give any mention to homosexuality as a whole, but only homosexual acts. It does condemn certain specific homosexual acts, but in a context that does not clearly indicate a condemnation of homosexuality. For example, the Sodomites were condemned to death by God before sodomy was performed. The act of sodomy in that specific, inappropriate context was condemned, but should not be misinterpreted as the cause of the ultimate condemnation of the Sodomites.
  • Many faiths welcome homosexuality.
    • Buddhism has many sects that celebrate gay relationships freely and encourage legal marriages.[3]
    • At the 1996 Unitarian Universalist General Assembly, delegates voted overwhelmingly that because of "the inherent worth and dignity of every person", same-sex couples should have the same freedom to marry as other couples.[4]
    • America's Reform Jewish rabbis gave their formal, theological blessing on same-sex marriage in 2000.[5]
    • Jews in general Beliefnet.com - "As the most liberal group of whites in America, Jews already support laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination in housing, employment, and other aspects of public life."
  • Dutch clergy made a massive shift toward overwhelmingly favoring its national gay marriage laws: A survey conducted in 1989 when the Danish government legalized gay marriage revealed that 72% of Danish clergy were opposed to the law. A survey conducted in 1995 indicated that 89 percent of the Danish clergy now admit that the law is a good one and has had many beneficial effects.[6]


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  • Many biblical passages condemn homosexuality Genesis 19:5[7] Many interpret this passage as citing homosexual behavior which allegedly contributed to the destruction of ancient cities Sodom and Gomorrah. This story became the source of the word sodomy. Ben Witherington III "Was Sodom into Sodomy?" - "The verb yada 'to know' is used to mean sexual sharing in the Sodom story [opposed to meaning 'to know' in a social sense], when Lot offers his daughters for them 'to know' (i.e. have sexual intercourse with). It's probable that it means the same thing earlier, when the citizens of Sodom ask Lot to bring out his guests so they may 'know' them. Lot accuses them of acting wickedly--an odd charge if all they meant is that they wanted to interrogate them to discover if they were spies. The biblical echoes of the Sodom story, furthermore, all clearly refer to sexual sin. Jeremiah 49:18 criticizes Jerusalem for its sexual sin, and says it is like Sodom. Ezekiel 16:49 is sometimes cited to prove that the sin of Sodom was only inhospitality. But the next verse says the residents of Sodom were destroyed because they did 'abominable things before me.' Abominable, is the very term Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 uses to criticize homosexual intercourse."
  • God commanded humans to "multiply"; homosexuality contradicts this leviticus 18 :22 says 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.God does not like it he made a man to marry a woman not a man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman.In genesis god did not made a man for adam hemade a woman.The bible says If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.It is a major sin and people who does that shall be put to death.the bible says Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. God's word is true. It will always stand no matter what. God is going to bring judgement unto this world very soon and those you said that it is not wrong you will have to give an account for them. If you want to be forgiven of what you said God can for give you and plus he save you from hell. in romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ==]]
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