*'''"Re: Homosexuality and evolution"'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcyVwIaVLDc]
*'''"Re: Homosexuality and evolution"'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcyVwIaVLDc]
*'''Argument: Refutation to: "A homosexual "gene" would not make homosexuality moral."'''
Although true that showing homosexuality to be genetic does not therefore translate that it is moral, the opposite is also true—homosexuality is not immoral simply because it would be demonstrated that there is no genetic basis. There seems to be no good argument to demonstrate its “morality” one way or the other. Rather the issue of homosexuality tends to fall into the category of amorality; in other words, it is neither moral nor immoral because it is irrelevant (like eating a bowl of cereal and asking whether the action falls into this false dichotomy).
**The only sources that seem to be cited against it are religious ones, typically coming from the Abraham religions (like Christianity) because, as the opponents argue, their holy book is against it.
**Two things: a) there is no evidence the Bible condemns homosexuality, and b) even if it did there is no way to rationalize its supposed wickedness aside from saying “the book says so.”
***Pertaining to the former, words that are used in the Hebrew and Greek later translated into English Bibles as “homosexuality” or “homosexual practices” and the like, usually fall under these three ancient words: [http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G733&Version=kjv arsenokoites], [http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3120&Version=kjv malakoi], and [http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H06945&Version=kjv qadesh]. Take the first word referenced. The term “arsenokoites” or αρσενοκοιταις has been used with multiple different meanings in the first few centuries AD, some referring to paederasty and others to people who practice anal sex (not limited to homosexual anal sex), the earlier ones (closer to the time of the epistles) tending to mean paederasty. The burden of proof here rests with those that make the assertion that it refers to the homosexual orientation in this instance or anywhere in the literature from the period for that matter; (See [http://www.clgs.org/5/5_4_3.html "Arsenokoités and Malakos"] and [http://www.gaychristian101.com/Define-Arsenokoites.html "Define Arsenokoites"]). Per the sources hyperlinked to this text, the words malakoi and qadesh also face similar dilemmas; (See [http://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html "(malakoi NEVER reference to homosexuality)"]and [http://www.gaychristian101.com/Shrine-Prostitutes.html "(Shrine Prostitutes in Lev)"].
***Now, pertaining to the latter point—that even if there were legitimate Biblical references to it being a sin—there has simply been no good secular arguments provided that would justify it’s categorization as “immoral.” Take for instance something that appears to us in this holy text as sin: killing another human being. While condemned in the Ten Commandments, one could easily lay a secular (i.e. non-religious) case for why it is wrong to kill another person ([http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html#21 Matt 5:21]). You could, for example, talk about the injustice of taking someone’s life away without their consent. You could talking about how it is cruel not only to have deprived that person of living their life to their full capacity, but also depriving others of their company; like parents and friends who will no longer get to share their own life with them. You could talk about the suffering experienced by that person as they died. You could even go against this vague and absolutist religious rule by presenting circumstances in which it could be justified (such as in self defense or when an officer shoots a feeling felon who is causing great danger and harm to an innocent person). But can the same be done for homosexuality? Usually appeals to [http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/07/28/revulsion-of-homosexuality-book-notes-created-equal.htm revulsion] (such as “it’s gross”) are thrown around as support, yet there are many things that may repulse us which are entirely amoral and natural: feces, insects, the elderly passionately kissing (perish the thought of anything further), etc. Others make unwarranted claims that it will “tear the fabric of society.” Yet with homosexuality hasn’t been outlawed, sodomy laws abolished, and some states adopting same-sex marriage, in what way has society crumbled? What solid facts can they point to homosexuality leading us to perdition?
**Making wild allegations with no proof isn’t very convincing and yelling Bible verses frantically without knowing how these root words have been mistranslated from the Hebrew and Greek into English isn't going to make the argument valid.
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Judgement: Should other individuals be able to judge?
Society has a right to judge that homosexuality is socially damaging. Homosexuality has been linked to various adverse conditions. While any society should protect the personal freedoms of its citizens, there is always a point at which liberty must be curtailed to protect the society as a whole.
Homosexuality affects only the individual so should not be judged by others. Homosexuality may in fact be wrong in the eyes of a particular dogmatic sect, but this in no way implies that the act is necessarily wrong and should not be judged by man. Whether or not homosexuality is wrong in other areas such as in the context of religious beliefs is completely another debate and should not be considered in this context.
Nature vs. nurture? Is homosexuality natural or a social phenomena?
Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon also found in the animal kingdomScott Bidstrup "Gay Marriage: the Arguments and the Motives" 2004 - "Among the approximately 1500 animal species whose behavior has been extensively studied, homosexual behavior in animals has been described in at least 450 of those species. It runs the gamut, too, ranging from occasional displays of affection to life-long pair bonding including sex and even adopting and raising orphans, going so far as the rejection by force of potential heterosexual partners, even when in heat. The reality is that it is so common that it begs an explanation, and sociobiologists have proposed a wide variety of explanations to account for it. The fact that it is so common also means that it clearly has evolutionary significance, which applies as much to humans as it does to other animal species."
Studies citing a homosexual "gene" have been biased and flawed *"What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net - "homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality. Three main studies are cited by “gay rights” activists in support of their argument2Hamer's X-chromosome research,3 LeVay's study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard's study of identical twins who were homosexuals. In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, “the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results”.6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person's genes."
A homosexual "gene" would not make homosexuality moral."What's wrong with being gay?". Christian Answers.net - "To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person's bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior the law rightly holds them accountable."
Sodomy and health: Is homosexual sodomy OK health-wise?
Health: Is homosexuality more generally healthy and safe?
Psychiatric and medical illnesses accompany homosexualityDr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05 - "The [American Psychiatric Association] has chosen to ignore the significant medical research which has documented serious psychiatric and medical illnesses associated with those same-sex attractions and behaviors. This research and that on the needs of children for a father and a mother have been reviewed in several important recent papers from the University of South Carolina School of Medicine and the University of Utah School of Medicine...Well-designed research studies have shown that many psychiatric disorders are far more prevalent, three to five times, in teen-agers and adults with same-sex attraction [SSA]. These include major depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, conduct disorder, low self-esteem in males and sexual promiscuity with an inability to maintain committed relationships. It is important to note that 'homophobia' is not the cause of these disorders, as many of these studies were done in cultures in which homosexuality is widely accepted. Another recent study has shown that a high percentage, 32%, of males with SSA have been abused by other males with SSA." [find studies]
Discrimination: Is condemning homosexuality discrimination?
Condemning gays is discrimination Homosexuals have the equal rights as heterosexuals. This is demonstrated in the fact that seventeen states, including Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia already have laws that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, and seven, plus the district, ban discrimination based on gender identity.
Sexual culture: Is the sexual culture surrounding homosexuality OK?
The homosexual culture displays "rampant promiscuity" and immorality.Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons of Catholic Medical Association 7/20/05 - "The peer-reviewed literature demonstrates that an inability to maintain committed relationships and rampant promiscuity are the norm in the homosexual lifestyle. To illustrate this, one recent study in Amsterdam, by Xiridou, demonstrated that 86% of the new cases of AIDS came from those in committed relationships, and that those in casual relationships averaged between 16-28 sexual partners per year."
Religion: Does homosexuality check out on religious grounds?
Separation of Church and State forbids basing state law on religious considerations. American Constitutional principles of the Separation of Church and State and the First Amendment would disallow any projection of religious moral belief onto constitutional law through a ban on gay-marriage.
The Economist "The case for gay marriage" 2/26/04 - "It is no business of the state to impose a religious choice. Indeed, in America the constitution expressly bans the involvement of the state in religious matters, so it would be especially outrageous if the constitution were now to be used for religious ends [that aim to ban gay marriage]."
Civil marriages don't interfere with religious doctrine and a Church's freedom to deny its own marriage services to gays:
Debatabase - "Gay couples should be allowed the option to undergo civil marriages; this does not entail any religious ceremonies and ought to be acceptable to those who object to gay marriages on the grounds of their religious beliefs."
Biblical passages that are claimed by anti-gay believers to condemn homosexuality are being misinterpreted by these groups. **Rev. Jonathan Loppnow and Rev. Paul C. Evans "Same Gender Sexual Behavior and the Scriptures" 1/7/98 - "Contrary to what many people have been taught, there is nothing in the Bible which condemns people with a homosexual orientation having same gender relationships. In fact, did you know the word 'homosexual' does not occur in the Bible at all in the original languages it was written in? This publication is called 'Same Gender Sexual Behavior and the Scriptures' because the scriptural texts considered only deal with sexual behavior not with homosexual sexuality as a whole or homosexual orientation."
Legalized gay marriage will not impede on churches' independent ability to not marry gays. **Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders - "A major myth about ending discrimination in civil marriage is that it will somehow compel religious faiths to change their doctrine or practices about who they marry. This is flatly incorrect. We have freedom of religion in this country. When a court or legislature ends discrimination in civil (governmental) marriage, there is no compulsory impact on any faith. Each faith is-and will remain-free to define its own requirements for its marriage rite: who, what, when, where and why. Some people say marriage is a sacrament. And it is for some religious faiths. But the government is not in the sacrament business. The only 'marriage' to which the couples in the Massachusetts case are seeking access is civil/governmental marriage. Governmental marriage already exists side by side with each faith's different rules for their religious rite of marriage. Nothing can change that."
Many faiths and branches of faiths welcome homosexuality.
Buddhism has many sects that celebrate gay relationships freely and encourage legal marriages.
At the 1996 Unitarian Universalist General Assembly, delegates voted overwhelmingly that because of "the inherent worth and dignity of every person", same-sex couples should have the same freedom to marry as other couples.
America's Reform Jewish rabbis gave their formal, theological blessing on same-sex marriage in 2000.
Jews in general Beliefnet.com - "As the most liberal group of whites in America, Jews already support laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination in housing, employment, and other aspects of public life."
Dutch clergy made a massive shift toward overwhelmingly favoring its national gay marriage laws: A survey conducted in 1989 when the Danish government legalized gay marriage revealed that 72% of Danish clergy were opposed to the law. A survey conducted in 1995 indicated that 89 percent of the Danish clergy now admit that the law is a good one and has had many beneficial effects.
Many biblical passages condemn homosexualityGenesis 19:5 Many interpret this passage as citing homosexual behavior which allegedly contributed to the destruction of ancient cities Sodom and Gomorrah. This story became the source of the word sodomy. Ben Witherington III "Was Sodom into Sodomy?" - "The verb yada 'to know' is used to mean sexual sharing in the Sodom story [opposed to meaning 'to know' in a social sense], when Lot offers his daughters for them 'to know' (i.e. have sexual intercourse with). It's probable that it means the same thing earlier, when the citizens of Sodom ask Lot to bring out his guests so they may 'know' them. Lot accuses them of acting wickedly--an odd charge if all they meant is that they wanted to interrogate them to discover if they were spies. The biblical echoes of the Sodom story, furthermore, all clearly refer to sexual sin. Jeremiah 49:18 criticizes Jerusalem for its sexual sin, and says it is like Sodom. Ezekiel 16:49 is sometimes cited to prove that the sin of Sodom was only inhospitality. But the next verse says the residents of Sodom were destroyed because they did 'abominable things before me.' Abominable, is the very term Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 uses to criticize homosexual intercourse."
leviticus 18 :22 says 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.God does not like it he made a man to marry a woman not a man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman.In genesis god did not made a man for adam hemade a woman.The bible says If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.It is a major sin and people who does that shall be put to death.the bible says Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. God's word is true. It will always stand no matter what. God is going to bring judgement unto this world very soon and those you said that it is not wrong you will have to give an account for them. If you want to be forgiven of what you said God can for give you and plus he save you from hell. in romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ==]]
It is wrong it is a sin a serious one too same sex is not acceptable i will go against that 100%
i am not sorry for what said this from the word of God and what ever is from the bible true 100% true